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Comment from mamablair

IMO, the key for using Save As properly is to always make sure you first do a regular Save, so the current document is truly saved. Then, and only then, Save As under a different name. This worked...

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Comment from David Emme

I agree. And frankly, I like the "old" saving behavior, which is part of why I'm still on 10.6I think part of the problem under discussion here is that Apple shot themselves in the foot by bringing...

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Comment from Marc

Mike, thanks for this. "El Aura" seems to be one of these Apple loyalists who will brook no criticism, as if 100% of what Apple does is completely perfect and anyone who voices a concern is just a...

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Comment from Marc

"Save As" has worked the same way for as long as I've been using computers, which is a long time. One develops muscle memory for doing certain tasks. You can't just change overnight. Also, how many...

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Comment from Mike

"So when Lion introduced Versions and AutoSave, I immediate disabled them."May I ask how you accomplished this? I would be overjoyed to find a method for disabling Auto Save and Versions that did not...

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Comment from Mike

1) You asked a specific question about Duplicate. I gave a specific answer. What's the problem? Save As in Mountain Lion does not function in the same way it does in Snow Leopard (and earlier...a total...

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Comment from Tom Robinson

The rational argument is that Apple likes to keep things looking as simple as possible to the end user, and this includes having the bare minimum of preferences. A new preference here, a new one...

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Comment from Mike

If Auto Save and Versioning are the default, as I propose, then the "end user" has to do exactly nothing for them to work exactly as advertised.Your fears about "complicating" the Mac experience are...

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Comment from Mike

"Bottom line: new functionality that requires the user to change his or her behaviour will annoy 90% of all users because 90% of all users are incapable of any behavioural change."Again I point out --...

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Comment from rasmusdotse

I'm surprised Apple managed to create a stupid autosave, since there are several very useful and rational models for autosave in professional, but often expensive software.One model for autosave is...

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Comment from MoT

Agreed. This has to be the most ignorant thing Apple could have ever done. It's the equivalent of switching the brake and gas pedals and telling your users to "get over it"

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Comment from MoT

I've held off of upgrading to Lion or ML for the very reason that the "save" function has been crippled. The idea that I first of all have to save a duplicate copy BEFORE doing any possible changes,...

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Comment from George

Apple should have left everything exactly as it was but have the document autosave for versions, that's all. And the option to turn it on/off... and when enabled the save item would be greyed or...

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Comment from samadore

Having not upgraded beyond Snow Leopard, I cannot choose a side in this debate yet. I have however been reading numerous articles on the issue in an attempt to prepare myself. I'd like to commend and...

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Comment from David Morrison

I think you are being a bit optimistic here. VMS file names had a version number as part of the name. Each time you edited a file, the default was to save a new file with the same name and the version...

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Comment from Richard Fairbanks

Thank you, Matt, for such a vital article!!I commend Apple for restoring “Save As . . .  ” (and adding the two System Preferences/General prefs) as a means to honor the dictum:“Never alter a user’s...

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Comment from Michael Warshauer

Yes; what ever happened to "Macintosh-the computer for the rest of us."?

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Comment from Jason

Whoah! The rest of this article made my head spin, which is, by no means, the author's fault. Methinks I'll stay with Snow Leopard a little longer after all:(

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Comment from Jason

OMG! I never noticed that black dot in the red close button before. After how many years? It's so useful, so unobtrusive and so frustratingly Apple - elegant to the point of obscurity:| It's like their...

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Comment from Al

I read this nicely thought out article. Now my head hurts. Where's my coffee?

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Comment from Padre Cohen

Mountain Lion's document handling is a solution in search of a problem.

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Comment from Peter Waslowski

I was also concerned about the Save As behavior. Having read your excellent article I understand what's going on. Thanks! Now please tell me if I am missing something: When I save a doc via Save As…...

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Comment from Slim

It seems that way as you suggest, if autosave continues to function the way you would expect (save your "old" document when you do "Save as"), so you haven't really lost the "old document" when you...

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Comment from Peter Waslowski

I have already tested it and it seems to work this way.

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Comment from William H Boyd Jr

I just discovered that, with the "Ask to keep changes when closing documents" option checked, if I edit a file on a network volume, as soon as I make a change to the file, the black dot appears, as...

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Comment from Dah•veed

You can return the Save As… command to the File menu with it's traditional key command by adding it as a Keyboard Shortcut. By using the traditional key command I am not aware that it effects other...

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Comment from Adam Engst

Very cool! That does seem to work in TextEdit, Preview, and Pages here.

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Comment from Dah•veed

The command to duplicate files in the Finder is Command+D.

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Comment from joaquin

Thanks, Peter Waslowski, for keeping attention on the major change in SaveAs: it no longer discards changes to the originally opened document since the last Save. Thanks, Slim, for calling attention to...

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Comment from Matt Neuburg

See now http://tidbits.com/article/13284. This problem is solved.

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